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Article: 13506 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need Kermit Diskette for HP-9816 200/300 BASIC Workstation
Date: 4 Jul 2002 15:59:19 -0400
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In article <ag1dkq$cfn$1@support.neth.hp.com>,
Frank Slootweg <franks@support.neth.hp.com> wrote:
:
: I see that the original problem statement was:
:
: > On behalf of a user who badly needs to get some scientific data into and
: > out of an HP 9816 Series 200/300 BASIC workstation.
:
: If this data fits on one diskette (at a time), then perhaps Kermit is
: not needed at all, and all data transfer can be done by using HP 9816
: format diskettes on the HP 9816 and a lifcp-like program on the source/
: target platform. BTW, what *is* the source/target platform (i.e.
: hardware?, OS?, diskette drive?, etc.).
:
The scientist in question has, besides the HP 9816, a DOS PC and a
Windows PC. He's not a computer guy, so most of the suggestions here won't
help much. Unless we can hand him an HP 9816 BASIC Kermit diskette that
is immediately usable, or a DOS/HP diskette interchange solution like this
one, we're tilting at windmills.
Since other messages in this thread seem to indicate that "lifcp" can
write diskettes only on HP-UX, this seems to rule the latter approach.
For the record, the datasets are similar to card images with columns of
floating-point numbers, about 16000 "cards" per set, 65 columns each:
1 1 1 1 2 7 2 68 166.598 0 12.1114 0 0
1 1 1 1 2 7 3 62 128.721 0 13.5718 0 0
1 1 1 1 2 8 1 16 19.8439 0 10.8263 0 0
or 1040000 bytes, which fits on a HD diskette. But if other datasets are
larger than this, they will need to be broken up or else transferred with
Kermit. Also I don't know the density of his diskette drive; maybe it's
only 720K. All he knows is that it's a "dual disk drive connected by
HP-IB interface".
As for reconstructing the HP BASIC files from the hexified versions on the
Kermit FTP site, I managed to dig up the original files from 12 years ago
and put them in a ZIP archive:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/hp9816.zip
and I updated the HP Kermit web page so any future searchers will have an
easier time getting this version:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/hp.html
Incidentally, I do have two HP-UX workstations: an aging but still mostly
functional HP/Apollo 715/33 with some kind of weird mini-tape-cartridge
drive but no diskette drive, and a new B2000 that has a diskette drive but
I can't use it at the moment for a reason that is embarrassing but maybe
one of you kind souls could help me get it back:
I originally had the B2000 connected to a regular PC VGA monitor and it
worked OK. Later I moved it to a big NEC Multisync and had to fiddle with
it to make it work. Still later I needed to put back the original PC
monitor. But now when booting, the screen was just plain black.
Well at this point, I had both monitors at hand, so I put it back on the
NEC monitor, where I could see the boot dialog, got into the configuration
menu and typed "MO GRAPHICS(0) x", where x was some small integer, and
then switched to the PC monitor -- no good, screen still black.
I repeated this step a bunch of times with ascending x's until I reached a
number that made BOTH monitors stop working. So at this point I'm flying
blind, and unfortunately have not memorized the boot dialog. First (?) I
have to choose between two SCSI disks to boot from, and then at some point
I need to lean on the Tab key...
It's always something.
> I always find it somewhat funny that it is actually the 'IBM PC'
> 'standard' 3.5" diskettes which are 'non-standard'. Why? Because the HP
> 3.5" diskettes *pre-date* the IBM PC ones.
>
Yes indeed! We had HP-150s here in 1984. Hmmm, looking at my chronology:
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/#1980
something is amiss (see April 1984 and September 1984). I distinctly
remember the HP-150 having the first 3.5" diskette I ever saw, yet my
notes say that our first Macintoshes arrived before the HP-150s...
- Frank